Doodh Ka Karz (1990)

Thwarted in my previous snake-movie viewing attempt by Sky Entertainment’s poor quality control, I moved on to this long-overdue-for-watching one and was much happier in any case. Not only is heroine Neelam not smacked in the face every other minute (although her father does want to kill her at one point, but he is Amrish Puri so it’s to be expected); but there are a lot more snakes and Aruna Irani (or her representative) lactates onscreen. She also (a la Smita Patil before her) sets out to pump her newborn son full of hatred, albeit somewhat less successfully, possibly because Jackie Shroff doesn’t have to also learn disco. Or maybe because Jackie has more snake backup than Mithun so doesn’t need to be as angry. I don’t know. I just know that I would much rather watch snakes massing in military formation and launching themselves like missiles than watch men pounding each other to a bloody pulp (although there is some of that too).

As reflected in its title, much of this film revolves around the idea that when one is nursed at a breast, one then owes a huge debt to the owner of said breast. Breastfeeding is now worshipped in western culture too, and I confess it annoys me. Every female mammal on earth can lactate, including me. There’s really nothing that special about it. Also, a quick Google search reveals that snakes don’t actually digest milk very well and it can even kill them.

Khair. Let’s leave logic behind and get on with our story, shall we?

Anything beginning with Amrish Puri in jodhpurs is going to end in tears for someone, but I am pleased when from the get-go there is someone even more evil than Amrish in the movie. Bhairav Singh (Sadashiv Amrapurkar) connives with a prostitute (Kunika) to blackmail his friend Thakur Raghuvir Singh (Amrish), hoping that the need for cash will convince him to steal the diamonds adorning the cobra head in his ancestral temple. Raghuvir and their third friend, Sampat (Prem Chopra in a deliciously understated turn—for him—playing a coward), are reluctant at first but eventually sign on.

(Yes that is Sudhir in the screencap to the left, and yes, Bhairav kills both of them. He is so evil.) Meanwhile at that same temple a snake charmer named Gangu (Kuldip Pawar) and his wife Parvati (Aruna Irani)—who is in labor—have taken shelter to escape a storm while Parvati gives birth. They are accompanied by Gangu’s prized king cobra who is unfortunately not given a name (at least not in the subtitles), but whom Todd in his extremely funny and much pithier review of this same film has dubbed Charles. If it’s good enough for Todd it’s good enough for me, and this is most definitely a snake who needs a name.

The priest (Ram Mohan) goes off to find a midwife, and as Parvati gives birth Raghuvir, Bhairav and Sampat sneak into the inner sanctum where the diamond-studded cobra sits. They pluck them out and kill the priest when he returns and catches them.

Of course the theft of these diamonds and the murder of the priest cannot go unpunished; when some other worshippers (it’s a very busy place!) arrive they see a horrified Gangu pulling the knife out of the priest’s body, making him obviously guilty *eyeroll*. And so Gangu is made the scapegoat for the theft by the gleeful trio of Raghuvir, Bhairav and Sampat. They whip him to death in the town square as the bloodthirsty population watches and Parvati screams for mercy, baby in her arms. Charles thrashes in his basket trying desperately to escape, and his beady little eyes memorize the details of Raghuvir’s distinctive diamond necklace.

As Parvati cremates her poor husband, the baby cries and she whips out her breast (seriously!) to nurse him. She notices that Charles is sitting there too and realizes that he hasn’t been fed in two days. Close-up of same breast squirting out milk onto a pottery shard (seriously!). She feeds the snake, and then implores him to leave them as she can’t take care of both “sons” on her own. Then she somewhat unwisely, in my view—given she has a baby to pump full of hatred—goes to Raghuvir’s house with a machete in hand to take her revenge, and overhears him gloating about the theft with his friends. Raghuvir’s father (Kamal Kapoor) arrives and she informs him that his son is responsible not only for her husband’s death but also the theft of the diamonds and the murder of the priest.

He believes her (he knows his son well it seems), and, somewhat unwisely, in my view—given that Raghuvir is now holding Parvati’s machete—turns his back on them all in order to call the police, with predictable results.

Bodies are piling up and we haven’t even gotten to the credits yet! The three villains chase Parvati and her son until she falls down a hill. Believing them both dead, the three friends return home, but of course Parvati isn’t dead or the story would end here. She and baby Suraj are rescued by a blacksmith named Dharma (Goga Kapoor). Dharma and his wife give them a home and help raise Suraj along with their daughter Kajri.

This seemed like bad parenting in Kasam Paida Karne Wale Ki, and it seems like bad parenting now too. It seems Dharma agrees with me. As Parvati broods, Dharma treats Suraj with kindness and affection, teaching him blacksmithing skills although it’s soon clear that Suraj’s calling is the same as his real father’s. I will tell you this, if you like been (subtitled as “harp” for some reason) music (I do! I do!) this movie is chock full of it. He grows up to be Jackie Shroff and Kajri grows up to be the very interesting Varsha Usgaonkar (according to the credits, this is her debut film). Kajri clearly loves Suraj and dances when he plays his father’s harp, but he is oblivious to her feelings and treats her indulgently as a sister.

Parvati is less pleased with Suraj’s devotion to his father’s profession; she only cares about vengeance. But when Suraj asks her why she applies ash to his forehead every day she always says that the time has not yet come to tell him everything. *Minor spoiler in the screenshot below*

I have no idea what she’s waiting for at this point, but life is about to change for all of them.

These days there is trouble brewing between Raghuvir and Bhairav and Sampat. The latter two are upset that Raghuvir has hung on to the diamonds all these years, although he points out that their value has risen considerably in that time. He also tries to placate Bhairav (still the scariest of the three) by proposing that his daughter Reshma (Neelam) get married to Bhairav’s son Ajit (Gulshan Grover).

In reality, Ajit is a spendthrift good-for-nothing and he has run through his daddy’s money. Bhairav’s bank accounts are running dry and he needs either the diamonds or Reshma as a daughter-in-law.

Meanwhile, Charles the snake has been biding his time in that same temple where Parvati gave birth twenty-some years before. When Reshma goes to the temple on Nag Panchami to worship, she is wearing her father’s diamond necklace and Charles is roused from his apathy at the sight of it.

He strikes at her, but misses; as she flees the temple in fright he follows her. Later that day Suraj, playing his harp as usual, ventures close to her house and she is attracted by the sound. She leaves the house and wanders through the woods as Charles follows her (she is still wearing the diamond necklace). He strikes at her again and this time doesn’t miss, although fortunately she has come close enough to Suraj that he hears her scream. He sucks the poison out of her foot and they fall in love in three seconds flat.

This is naturally occasion for a song and I am forced to wonder if Neelam ever got tired of being upstaged by her own Hair. It even knocks Jackie over backwards at one point.

As you can well imagine, this romance goes down well with NOBODY. Dharma and Parvati want Suraj to marry Kajri (so does Kajri), and when Parvati discovers who Reshma’s father is you can imagine how ballistic she goes. Raghuvir Singh certainly doesn’t want a nobody-snake-charmer for a son-in-law, and the most evil person in the movie wants her to marry his son.

What will Suraj think when he finds out what his beloved’s father has been responsible for? Can our two lovers make it in the face of so much determined opposition? Will Raghuvir, Bhairav and Sampat ever pay for their misdeeds?

If Charles has anything to do with it, they will. And luckily he is just about to instinctively recognize his “doodh brother” and figure out who his friends—and his enemies—really are.

This movie has the most intense last hour of just about any movie I have ever seen. I absolutely loved it and unless you are dead or really highbrow (in which case you don’t even know this blog exists) you will too. There are so many things to appreciate beyond the usual WTFness of this genre—which it also has in spades, not to worry.

I really liked the character of Kajri: she is loyal, feisty and pretty. Actress Varsha Usgaonkar has gorgeous large green eyes and a very expressive face, although the makeup does her no favors as is usual for that era.

I said already too that I welcome the fact that Amrish Puri is not the most evil person in the movie. Sadashiv Amrapurkar is brilliant as the greedy, intelligent and manipulative Bhairav. He is a complete psychopath. It is also a relief that Thakur Raghuvir Singh is not the usual one-note Amrish villain; he isn’t terribly nice, but he isn’t completely bad either. Plus Bob Christo and Tom Alter get small appearances as bad-boy goras, which I have to love.

As for the others, Aruna is awesomely over the top as the unforgiving Parvati but avoids becoming annoying because there are enough other characters (Dharma, Kajri) to soften her a bit. I always find Jackie pleasant at least, and Neelam is certainly pretty.

But the real star of this film is Charles. Kya screen presence hai! He has an almost pet-like aspect at times, neatly coiled up like cat or resting his head on the ground like a dog. But of course when he wants to be menacing, it’s easy. Those cold black eyes, that threatening hood! Watchful, loyal, sad, pissed off: I have no idea how they did it, but I would swear to God that Charles is acting. And he is always ready for his closeup.

He might be my new favorite action hero. Did he do any other films?

62 Comments to “Doodh Ka Karz (1990)”

  1. Yay – i get to post the first comment ! I admire your fascination for snake theme movies. Not my cup of tea – perhaps a case of familiarity with the theme. Interestingly I have managed to avoid all nag or nagin kind of movies. Good write up as usual which may be more interesting than the film itself.

    • My mother HATES snakes, hates them…we lived for so long in Africa and they’d get in the house, and she was always worried that a green mamba was going to leap on us from a tree. She wouldn’t watch one either, but I like snakes. They are interesting to me.

  2. Ooooh, I loved it the first time I saw it on television. It was *so* full of masala, it was hard to resist. And yes, to the snake ‘acting’. I love snake movies though I cannot say I like snakes in real life. :(

    • You don’t have to love snakes to love snake movies :) I wouldn’t like to be bitten by a poisonous one or strangled and eaten by a restricting one, but snake movies are so loony! I fretted a little bit over the snakes being flung about (and the mongooses too) but otherwise…and Charles was just TOO GOOD in this.

  3. Since you are into animal-movies watching spree, try “Sheshnaag” and “Vishkanya” (1990) too :-)

  4. Oh, loved this review! Whether your review is a positive or a negative one, it is always fun to read. Often more than the movie itself. ;-)

    I’ve only vaguely heard of this film – am pretty sure I have not seen it. By 1990, I was extremely selective in my movie-watching, having been scarred by the 1980s decade. Men pounding each other into bloody pulp was par for any film then – with guys like Shakti Kapoor, Gulshan Grover and Amrish Puri, you could count on it 100%.

    I think by this time Prem Chopra had moved on to comedy-villain roles. I remember seeing him in at least a couple of movies of the 80s where he played a similar “villain but cowardly and somewhat funny” character. Maybe he decided to leave the core villain position to Amrish and Sadashiv.

    Sadashiv Amrapurkar was quite a talented actor – I think he came from theatre (his dialogue delivery is very theatrical). He first made a splash with Ardh Satya (1983) – the movie which “made” Om Puri. Sadashiv Amrapurkar was much appreciated for his performance in Sadak.

    I thought I’d seen Varsha in a movie but I looked at her imdb list and cannot seem to remember seeing any of the movies listed there. Maybe I am confusing her with another Maharashtrian actress – there was at least another one (maybe more) around that time.

    Coming to this movie, I like snake movies too – and the sound of the been. I think I’d like this movie.

    The subtitle “If you want to save yourself, then stab the axe” is a hilarious one. Can’t imagine what it could have been in Hindi. Something to do with “kulhaadi” probably.

    Thanks for the review, memsaab. I always find something funny in your reviews like “He believes her (he knows his son well it seems), and, somewhat unwisely, in my view—given that Raghuvir is now holding Parvati’s machete—turns his back on them all in order to call the police, with predictable results.”:-)

    • “Maybe I am confusing her with another Maharashtrian actress – there was at least another one (maybe more) around that time.”

      Do you mean Ashwini Bhave, who also starred in Henna [1991]?

      • Just checked the imdb profile of Ashwini Bhave and I find that I’ve seen Parampara, in addition to Henna. She’s not the one I had in mind but yes, that’s another name from that time that rings a bell – and then doesn’t, if you know what I mean.:-)

        Can’t help feeling I’ve seen at least one Varsha Usgaonkar movie (that face looks familiar) – just cannot remember which one it is. Like memsaab says, maybe her imdb list isn’t complete. Maybe I’ll remember the movie’s name when I’m not trying :-)

    • Sadashiv Amrapurkar was just great in this. I’ve only seen him in a few others, but that may be because his “era” is not my favorite. Varsha is a Marathi actress, and I’m sure her imdb profile is not comprehensive :) So you probably have seen her elsewhere.

      Glad you enjoyed the review :)

      • Varsha also acted as Rani Laxmibai in Mangal Pandey. She was a very popular (and good) Marathi actress but unfortunately not very successful in Hindi movies. Another marathi actress who ventured into Bollywood around Varsha’s time was Kishori Shahane – she was in Bomb Blast. The “Lena hai” song from that movie was quite popular. Btw Kuldip Pawar was also the standard villain in marathi films.

    • BTW, Varsha also starred in “Tirangaa” (1993) opposite Nana Patekar.

  5. I love this film! I had the same trouble selecting screencaps that adequately conveyed the amazing acting of The Snake. I’m sorry, I don’t think ‘Charles’ suits him as that makes me think big-eared royals and Major Winchester from MASH – not this subtle and compelling actor. I just call him The Snake. Plus Bob Christo in fine form as a greedy gora smuggler type. Love your write up, and highly recommend the film :D

  6. A hilarious review! It made the week start good!
    I was laughing from the first sentence to the last.
    Sorry for being cynical, but don’t you think that more than one snake played Charles?

    • No way, unless Charles has a snake brother or sister who is equally talented. I suppose it’s possible. But seriously, I have watched quite a few snake movies and this one had PRESENCE.

  7. So is it safe to say you want Charles in charge of you?

  8. I will totally watch Sheshnaag with you. It is AWESOME and has one of the finest Rekha moments I’ve ever seen.

    I too am impressed by Charles’s dog-like posture there! Maybe he has a dog-milk-brother we haven’t met yet. Also, are we at all concerned by how average that tell-tale diamond necklace is? Seems like the recipe for non-wacky misunderstanding if ever there were one!

    • He put his head down like that exactly like a dog—Parvati had just told him to go to sleep, and he put his head down. Was quite amazing.

      I don’t know about you, but I have not seen diamonds that big on a regular basis. Would like to! but have not :D

      And YES to a Sheshnaag watchalong, seems like the perfect kind of movie for that. Maybe I’ll just turn January into snake-bird month!

  9. @Memsaab – I’m not sure about the movie which seems like a typical 80s potboiler but your review is very compelling. For that reason alone, I might try to watch this one. I agree that Varsha does seem expressive here. She was just fresh from her brief role in Mahabharat – a popular TV serial based on the epic.

  10. Yay.

    In sheer WTFery, there are a few movies that are legend. Doodh Ka Karz is one of them. (Teri Meherbaaniyan, in which Jackie Shroff again was upstaged by a dog, is another).

    Varsha was quite popular in the 90s, though she always remained an upcoming starlet and never made it to star status. I mostly remember her from a spitfire role in some Nana Patekar cop movie.

    I think the other upcoming Marathi actress of those times (again never made it really big in Hindi) that people refer to in the comments above is Archana Joglekar.

    The epic WTF movie of all time, curiously enough involving naagins again, is Jaani Dushman- Ek Anokhi Kahaani. In brief, it has Manisha Koirala (who at the time resembled ummm… more substantial animals) as an ichchadhari naagin. Another gent who morphs into naag, Rambha, Jada Pinkett from the Matrix and Terminator , sometimes in rapid succession. And Sunny Deol, Akshay Kumar, Sunil Shetty, Sonu Nigam (debut,too) and one of the topmost potboiler chefs ever, Raaj Kumar Kohli at the helm. If you have denied yourself this treat so far, get yourself a bot of something sparkly and settle down.
    (Make that a couple of bots, at least. This is that good).

    • I’ve started Teri Meherbaaniyan a couple of times, but haven’t been in the mood to struggle through something without subtitles. I’ll get there though, I do love the dog at the beginning!

      I have seen Jaani Dushman-Ek Anokhi Kahani. Dreadful, truly truly dreadful. I got bored with all the violence although there were moments that made me laugh out loud :)

    • Yes!!! The other Maharashtrian actress I was thinking of was Archana Joglekar. I remember seeing her in Aatank Hi Aatank. Thank you!

  11. Ah, a favourite, ‘Doodh ka Karz’. The breast-feeding scenes totally set the film up. Unforgettable.

  12. I have to watch this one. I simply have to.

    Thank you for yet another fab review Memsaab (and once again I love the comments on the screenshots).

  13. WHAT MEMSAAB, have you moved into the 90s now? Gone are the days of Romance, Innocence and Purity….
    Well, if you are really intrigued by this serpent stuff, I suggest you try Sri Devi’s duo– NAAGIN and NIGAHEN, a single story in two parts and covering two generations. She romances different heroes in each- in the first Rishi Kapoor and the other Sunny Deol. Really freaky ones with masala and lots of been(or harp, if you like) action too.
    As regards this movie, I remember the climax more than anything else. This movie is full of supervillains-in addition to the evil trio, (you can count Goga too) there is (SPOILER ALERT) Kiran Kumar too, as an evil snake-tantrik, with his horde of been-players. I remember LOL when I saw each of them carry a mongoose with him for the final encounter with Jackie and his snake-brother and sisters.
    Over the years, many heroes have found the snake as an ally, Jeetendra himself being cast as a snake in two.
    Personally I am not scared of them, but suppose you come face to face with a basilisk(J.K.Rowling) or the anaconda….well nobody knows how one will react.

    • I’ve seen Sri’s two snake films, liked the first one actually but not so much the second one. And it was Raza Murad as the tantrik, not Kiran Kumar—but yes, he was pretty funny. I am not scared of snakes, but I respect them enough not to stick my hand in their faces!

  14. A SAD NEWS

    The heroine of Shammi Kapoor,in
    died on 4th Jan 2012 at Pune.
    Her death was announced by her daughter and Son in Law,yesterday.
    She was being treated for Cancer at Ruby Hall,at Pune.


    • Oh, I’m so sad to hear it :( She must have only been in her early 70s I’d think (although that’s longer than a lot of people get to hang out!).

      • No much younger, 65 :-(

        • It is quite sad :( I read that the family did not announce her passing away, as they were fearful of people who were eying her property.

      • Memsaab ji,
        KALPANA MOHAN was born on 18-7-1946.
        Her father Avani Mohan was a freedom fighter and was very close to Pt. Nehru.He was also an active member of A.I.Congress committee.
        Kalpana,who was trained in Kathak,was often invited by Pt.Nehru to dance in Rashtrapati Bhavan,when some foreign dignitaries came.
        She was spotted by Balraj Sahni and writer Ismat Chugtai,who advised her to go to Bombay and try films.She came to Bombay and without anybody’s recommendation got PROFESSOR-62.
        She also acted in Naughty Boy,Pyar Kiye Jaa,Teesra Kaun,Saheli,Teen Deviyan,Tasveer and Nawab Sirajuddoulla.
        She married a Naval officer in 67,and divorced him in 72.
        She moved to Kalyani Nagar,Pune in 1992,on doctor’s advise for change of climate.
        She led a life away from glamour till her name was in local papers when there was a dospute on a Land owned by her,few years back and then people and her neighbu=ours came to know who she was.
        At the time of Professor,she was about 16 yr. old.

  15. Sad news. But must have been over 70, could not have been 15 during Professor.

  16. Memsaab,

    Please remove or move to appropriate thread.
    Just wanted to share :
    Today, I was listening to an interview of Naresh Fernandes about history of Indian Jazz @ NPR.
    It’s very interesting to know how Jazz was introduced back in 30s to India and the artists from west played in India and it’s influence on hindi film music as well.
    Sharing the author’s web-site.

  17. It was depressing to hear of Kalpana’s death. Having seen and liked Teen Deviyan, Professor and Pyar Kiye Jaa, I was curious to know about what had happened to her. There was no info available. Our movie industry is very cold in the manner in which it completely ignores some old stars.

    • It’s not the “movie industry” but people who forget, including fans a lot of the time :( And sometimes it’s the person’s choice to move away from the spotlight, in which case it isn’t sad at all.

  18. There are so many OMG moments here! I believe if you say the final portion is real gripping. Though I had heard of the film I had never seen it (the title is so off putting – sounds like a platitude). I can understand what you say about the Nag being camera savvy :). I once had to kill a snake (because the poor thing had strayed into our compound leading to a hue and cry among the ladies and children). I regret I can’t tell a poisonous snake from a benign one and had to err on the side of safety and kill it – it was an awful mixed feeling of fear and grief.

    • Yes, when I was growing up we had to kill a lot of snakes. We had spitting cobras too, which could strike from a pretty long distance! They are compelling creatures though.

      • memsaab, i am a HUGE fan of snakes, esp. venomous ones…and i agree with u regarding the distance of a spitting cobra’s spittle…i have seen it with my own eyes, in the videoclip for the 1984 synthpop song It’s My Life by British band Talk Talk…those spitting cobras can really spit!!!! By the way, have u come across a black mamba when u were in Africa? I heard they are the king cobras of Africa, very fearsome and dangerous…

  19. @Greta,
    Similar question from me as well, have we moved to the 90s films now? If so, Oh the Humanity! What a Calamity!

    As someone else pointed out, films from the 80s were a pretty scarring experience and I have judiciously avoided them since.
    There was another film from the 90s called Bandish with Juhi and Jackie with the flute and all that. There was a popular tune/song from that film (with godawful Kumar Sanu as the male lead) that fooled me into sitting down to watch it on video at a friend’s place…. Eventually, I begged with the Aunty to forward to the song, watched it and then disappeared with the rest of my sanity intact. The Horror of the films of those times!

    So, even if the last few reviews of yours sound fun and frothy but I would rather read your review, take it at that and leave it. Far too much sanity involved to risk in my case, Haha.

  20. By the way, want to take an opportunity to express a blanket thanks to all the readers that leave comments…. Every comment is a pleasant Le Mans race (it there can be such a thing) down nostalgia road.

    Since this is like a 50th comment or so, I doubt if anyone will ever read it. But please do mention in the next post that I (and some other readers?) are very happy with the whole nostalgia
    and the deja vu that comes from reminiscing the shared/similar experiences of growing up in more interesting times with similar memes. :-)

    In these very interesting times (the old Chinese curse did come true in the end!), the remembering self becomes much more important than the experiencing self, and the more I read the fantastic comments, the more I agree.

    Thanks everybody.

    • Surioji,

      The curse of the remembering self is on us rather than on Greta for these films are relatively ‘new’ to her. Still going down memory lane with such a charming lady is wonderful. To use the words of Ghalib:

      hain aur bhee duniya mein sukhanwar bahot achche
      kehte hain ke Greta ki hai andaaz-e-bayaan aur

      Roughly translated :

      There maybe in this world many men of eloquence
      But the style of dear Greta is just something else.

      Thank you for your entertaining reviews Memsaab!

  21. Surio ji,
    I agree with you 100%.
    It is a pleasure to read the comments of knowledgeable people and sometimes I wonder,how can people remember so many,so minute things even after so many years !
    Most of the times,the comments are almost equally interesting to the review of memsaab ji.
    She has a terrific knack of making her points in a very aggreable way.I admire her skill in tackling irksome or unagreeable comments of some enthusiastic but mindless readers.
    Further,the valuable additions, she is prompting, to the Film history is truely admirable.

  22. Ha ha! No I am not abandoning my much-more-favorite eras for the abysmal 80s-90s. But I need some variety in my movie watching so you’ll have to bear with me on occasion!

    And I too agree wholeheartedly in your thanks to commenters here. It’s what keeps me going! I have learned SO MUCH here from all of you. It makes me happy that others appreciate the history and the beauty of this cinema, as well as its little foibles ;-)

    • LOL memsaab the 80’s-90’s aren’t as abysmal as they seem…remember, it is the golden age of parallel cinema, because at that time, Satyajit Ray n Shyam Benegal etc weren’t d only ones making compelling thought-provoking films…many art-house directors were debuting around that time, like Ketan Mehta, Shekhar Kapur, Sagar Sarhadi, Aparna Sen, Rituparno Ghosh, Mira Nair n Deepa Mehta…I’d love to see you review such films one day…they are really worth watching, although not as entertaining due to a lack of song n dance routines…cheerio!

      • A lot of parallel cinema leaves me cold I am afraid, although not all of it. But for the most part I find those movies slow, dull and sometimes pretentious. Popular cinema certainly saw a decline though—the 80s turned out such violent revenge films and the 90s such sugary-sweet sanctimonious ones :D There are always exceptions to the rules though, thank goodness!

        • haha i understand…each to his/her own…anyways…about Kalpana ji who just passed away, just out of curiosity, did she happen to appear in any South Indian films? Her name and career sound so familiar, yet so vague…God bless her soul…

          • There was another actress named Kalpana who acted in south Indian movies (you can see the comment thread under Professor if you want painstaking details on both!)

  23. Arun and Salim,
    Thank you both for chiming in. My compliments look like a soweto shack in comparison to both of your paeans. :-D!

    Oh, well, I am happy that we all managed to make Greta’s day!

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